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  1. Benedevil

    Benedevil Truly Feared Staff Member Owner Founder

    Jul 18, 2015
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    Hello everyone,
    This is a thread that I have been wanting to make for the longest time. The last couple of months have been a pain for me. Probably not just for me but for all of us. Many people have left and it has been heartbreaking to see the forum die out. Props to everyone that has been trying to keep the forums somewhat alive, but it has come to the point where I just don't know what to do with it anymore.
    It has come to the point, where I don't enjoy going on the forums anymore. I want to see fresh people again, discussions and suggestions. I personally don't even like the layout of the forums anymore. The way it look and the way it feels. It used to feel like an E-Home but now it just feels like an abstract dead place.

    The only server I play on now is VSH and occasionally Deathrun. Some servers still get their fair amount of players, but it seems like nothing of that transitions over to the forums.
    Blueprint has almost closed down once before and I decided to take over the entire project. There is so much time and effort in the servers. Stacks upon stacks of plugins I wrote that I wasn't willing to give up.
    Lots of time that I could have probably spent more wisely somewhere else, but here we still are. I enjoy server hosting so much, because it gives me another reason to get off my lazy ass (first one being music). I made loads of mistakes in the past and I kept asking myself why the servers just didn't gain the player base that I'd like it to have.
    A couple of months ago, I decided to host servers on a different name with game modes and maps that I would have never used for blueprint servers. I saw them more or less as "low quality servers" that were terrible compared to blueprint servers. The community I had put so much work and effort into.
    The thing that I least expected happened. The servers gained a lot of traction in a couple of months. So much that I started expanding. Trying out all the different things you could put on servers and surprisingly enough it worked. People really enjoyed the servers I put out.

    It was never my intention to host a forum under that name, but since I bought the domain and since I had enough space on the VPS I use to host blueprint I said: "Why not give it a try?"
    Thus was born. I initially never wanted admins nor did I expect anyone to really use the forums, but a lot of people somehow found their way.

    The community began to grow and I kept adding more servers. I have to admit, I kind of went all in on this.
    The rapid growth and the amazing connection numbers gave me the motivation to attempt loads of new plugins and fixing up old ones. The motivation that I never had gotten from blueprint.

    Blackwonder has grown a lot since and now houses 754 forum members and hosts 142 servers. Yep, you read that number right.

    This is why it pains me to go on blueprint. There are a lot of servers on Blackwonder & Blueprint that are literally the same. Who gets more players? Blackwonder, for some reason that I can't explain.
    I've been hoping for so long that the Blueprint forums would finally pick up, but it hasn't happened.

    Today I've been wanting to move Blueprint servers to a different IP and thought to about how I was doing most of the server stuff for Blackwonder and not Blueprint. I've been thinking of how much I wish some of you people knew all the other people over at Blackwonder and vise versa. I've neglected Blueprint for so long now and I think it is time to move on.

    Merging both communities has been my plan for a long time, but I just didn't know how I could do this once again. I feel bad for all the people that have stayed here from operation panda times. I feel like I'm throwing people from one place to another.
    Blueprint has moved from server to server so many times and looking back at it I can only shake my head.

    So after reading all of the stuff that has been going through my head, I have a one time offer for you (Unless someone comes up with something better).

    I will continue to host VSH and Deathrun under the name of Blueprint, because I frankly can't let go of these servers and I will make every single admin of Blueprint an admin on Blackwonder, because I owe you all one for your loyal service.

    It's been quite the roller coaster ride for everyone involved and I'm truly sorry for that, but I just don't think there is much of a future for

    You can of course come up with any suggestion on how to handle this merge in a better way, but keeping Blueprint as a whole is just not an option for me anymore.

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  2. 2010wolf [CURSED panda]

    2010wolf [CURSED panda] At the wrong place, at the wrong time. Awkwarrrrrd Staff Member Server Admin

    Jun 4, 2016
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    Aaaaaah... man... an other discussion about closing down a community... (or at least most of it)
    To be honest, for me at least... merging both communities isn't a problem, as long i still have a place i can call home.
    And i'm pretty sure the people of (Blackwonder) are just as kind as everyone else i have met.
    Even if it will take a while before we actually are comfortable there, i'm pretty sure it will be worth it since you mentioned that the (Blackwonder) community is growing super fast.

    Ben, my dear dear friend :)
    Don't be upset over moving us (the OP community members) from a place to place, nor the people from this community.

    To be honest even tho i have played in these BP servers for less than two weeks, i still had my share of fun that i'm sure 100% that i will get every day i go and play there.

    I have to say, good job on managing this community, *and from what i understood* the blackwonder community at the same time.

    Ben... for me you are a leader, i like you, how you act, how you play, how funny and sarcastic you are sometimes, how serious you are in serious cases, the fact that you were able to run two communities at the same time, how respectful and reasonable you are... uhg... sorry i just don't really know what to say...
    I just like you as who you are really :)

    So don't worry about us, we will try and help you in every way possible and not make it hard on you :) (at least that's what i will do >_>)

    Back in Operation panda, we thought of each other as a family, because of how friendly and respectful and reasonable everyone was, if this is going to help you in any way, try to think of us as a family... because I too consider you as a member of my family.... my internet family.

    Last but not least, i don't really understand how hard is it to merge two communities... soooo in order to think of a suggestion about how we can merge them in a better way i must understand that fact c: ( i might be able to help )

    I hope i cheered you up a little bit <3
    Peace! and good luck!
  3. Timo

    Timo i watch you sleep c: Staff Member Server Admin

    Jul 20, 2015
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    I noticed it too. Blackwonder is way more active than blueprint for some reason.

    We greatly respect all the effort you put into this Community And hope we can continue to work with you <3

  4. DasMalzbier |

    DasMalzbier | Master of Saxton Staff Member Server Admin

    Jul 20, 2015
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    I have to admit I am struggling a bit.

    I am not sure whether I do deserve to be an admin on Since it has been a long time I played on any kind of Tf2 Server (honesty, that is most because I don't have my Pc until summer holidays for personal reasons, one of them loosing grip of reality at one point, but that is a story for another day) and the only thing I do here is making sure I am on date with every new post and contribute, if I can. But you can also do that as a normal member. That is why I am not sure if I even deserve to be still an admin.

    But regardless, I still do love being on Every time I visit the forums, it gives me a little bit of happiness. I always wonder what could be new, how others did react to certain forums. I always loved chatting with blueprint members, even if it was rare. Back in Operation Panda, it was even more intense, but I guess that was because I was younger, thus more "hyped" and seeking attention - which I did get. I try to visit the forums daily, if possible, and occasionally I crack a smile reading the chat.

    But now for my response: I would not mind merging with In my opinion, our "family" would only grow. I do not care if I add "" or "" to the end of my name, as long as there are people who I do like. People with whom I have fun with. People who accept me. And I have no doubt that most members of accept us, if not all.

    I think you did a great job, keeping two communities, even if almost the same, alive. We can also see that you deeply care about both communities, since you thought about it a lot. As long as the merging both communities reduce your ammount of work (and I keep seeing most people from, I have nothing against merging, as already stated. We would rather not have you die from exhausting, would we?
  5. ๖ۣۜBassianus

    ๖ۣۜBassianus Drunk Staff Member Server Admin

    Feb 21, 2016
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    Wow... this was unexpected.
    However, all I gotta say is I wish the best of luck to you in what your doing, and that ya don't overwork ya self. That's probably been said by tons of people but hey, its important.
    Best of luck as I said, and... well, I've got nothing else to say.
  6. K4

    K4 Uncharitable Staff Member

    Aug 8, 2015
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    Rename all BlackWonder servers to BluePrint, including BlackWonder forum? No?

    I don't really fancy BlackWonder. To me, BluePrint has always been that special place, and it will always be. No matter how hard you try with BlackWonder, I'm sure many people agree with me when I say BluePrint > BlackWonder. Anyhow, merging is probably the best choice here, so go for it. That way you will get more time to work on servers that actually makes some profit(?).

    Keep up the good work, you're an amazing guy!
  7. hiro

    hiro Mildly Menacing Staff Member Server Admin Donator

    Jul 20, 2015
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    I personally have lost touch with TF2 tbh.. it's really sad to see this once growing community which I used to spend a lot of time on pretty much close ..
    Last edited: Jun 25, 2016
  8. Surny

    Surny That one guy Staff Member Server Admin

    Jul 18, 2015
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    as long as I keep my cancerous server, go ahead and do it.

    would've done the merge months ago tbh